Goudsmit & Goldschmidt -- a geneasequel - Person Sheet
Goudsmit & Goldschmidt -- a geneasequel - Person Sheet
NameChaim/ Hayum/ Heimann b’ [Josef] Menachem Cleve (Gomperz)
Birthabt 1640, D, Kleve?
Death28 Sep 1704, D, Hamburg
BurialAltona (hha-1268)
Spouses
Birthabt 1640, D, Hamburg
Death9 Feb 1707, D, Hamburg
BurialAltona (hha-1310)
 Breine b’ Chaim (~1660-1728)
 Hanna b’ Chaim (~1675-1738)
Notes for Chaim/ Hayum/ Heimann b’ [Josef] Menachem Cleve (Gomperz)
Parnas and Torah scholar
“…. der Weitbekannte, der Vorsteher und Leiter, der Einflussreiche, der torahgelehrte R. Chajim Kleve son of … R. Josef Menachem….” [cf Epidat]
[NB: it may seem questionable to conclude that his grandfather is Menachem/Man b’ David Gomperz Wesel. — Kaufmann ®25 mentions and quotes (p308) that “towards Hamburg came from Cleve Chajjim and Moses both the sons of a Josef Mendel Menachem….” ……. “maybe the son of Menachem Man Gomperz Wesel”. Kaufmann also notes down that on the Guestlist of the Leipzig Fair dd 1668 Chajjim is given as “Heimann Magnus together with his sons Moses Heimann and Magnus Heimann”. From this fact can be deduced that Chaim/Heimann can’t be born later than 1640 — which would make the succession lineage from Menachem Wesel via ‘Josef’ to Chaim Cleve very tight — my conclusion is that ‘Josef Menachem‘ [ר׳ יוסף מנחם] in the epitaph text is one person with a double name, where the first part ‘Josef’ should be considered as a ceremonial ‘prepositive’ name of Menachem — not unusual in the Gompertz familiy branches — and hence that Chaim is a direct son of Menachem — JG]
chilldren:
# ‘der hochbetagte’ Magnus/Man b’ Chaim Cleve (d. 22.8.1734) >>
# Breine b’ Chaim Cleve (d. 15.7.1728) >>
# ‘the Parnas’ Beer/Issachar (Moshe) b’ Chaim Cleve (d.30.7.1738; hha-1880), married to ? — [several of his descendants died in Hamburg]
# Hanna b’ Chaim Cleve (d. 30.8.1738) >>
# ‘die betagte Frau’ Priebche/Priva b’ Chaim Cleve (d.11.2.1739; hha-1889), married to Simcha Essen Rofe — daughter: ## Hanna b’ Simcha Essen (d. 09.11.1721; hha-3068), married to Jokew Hildesheim
# Sara/Serche b’ Chaim Gomperz Cleve (d. 15.10.1743) >>
# Hitzel? b’ Chaim Cleve
# *? [Aron] Moshe b’ Chaim Cleve (b. abt 1660 — d. 27.4.1711 in Amsterdam, cf ®6) >>
Last Modified 14 Feb 2024Created 2 May 2024 by JG
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